The Plaza @ St Andrew's Cross
I've been meaning to write about this for a while but it took driving past at the weekend and seeing this monstrosity bathed in sunlight to really get me annoyed. The area of the city between Albert Drive and the M74 seems to have fallen through some planning cracks and pretty much anything seems to be allowed. Not only is the M74 ploughing right through the area but quite a few of the new builds which have been fired up nearby are pretty awful too.
Its not just that the actual designs themselves are not very good, but the quality of the materials and construction are also pretty shocking. (Why are all new builds made of yellow brick, a material not natively used in Glasgow?) Take a look at the building on the corner of Albert Drive/ Pollokshaws Road with the weep holes through the render and the odd drainage pipes poking through the wall at pavement level.
Worst of the bunch is The Plaza which is such a crap building its still half empty, years after finally being constructed. (I'll avoid a full appraisal as we could be here all day.) What makes the project doubly annoying was the song and dance the developers made at the time about how they were going to be respecting and reusing as many of the original elements as possible. One of the bits of marketing bumf says "The Plaza recreates the former dance halls vigor and energy in the newly built development of 77 stunning new apartments." Personally I think it more resembles the mess left in the streets after the drunken dance hall patrons have eaten a few kebabs too many, thrown up and wandered off home.
As written about elsewhere, this section of the City has been a major gap between the City centre and the extended South; a legacy of the M74 development hanging over the area for decades. What the area needs is to fill this gap by creating more density and drawing more people into the area. While that does mean more homes, shops, cafes need to be built, it shouldn't mean, that they are built cheaply or poorly, just to ensure that they do get built. For one thing, if they are done as badly as The Plaza then no one wants to live in them and they end making the situation worse.
The Plaza is in a hugely prominent location on the St Andrew's cross junction, both for those going in and out of the City centre and what has been built is a greatly missed opportunity. There was a chance here, to build something of interest and quality which really could have attracted and drawn people into the area. What has been built doesn't even address the main sight lines, relate to the nearby building or even front the road properly.
When I sat down to write this post I did a little Google and was interested to read what other people thought. Speaking to the Evening Times one local said "I think it's an eyesore. They are condemning part of the old Glasgow." and another said "Nobody in the area likes it. I used to go to the Plaza and I can't believe what they've done with it. It's ugly."
Responding to these comments, the developers said "Residents had their opportunity to object to the design during the planning process." Which, while true, is a bit misleading. A large section of the local population probably didn't hear about the project until it was well advanced. Of those that did hear, only some will have known the process for finding out more about an application or putting in an objection. Of those, only a few would be able to take the time to go and check out the drawings at the Council and even then, planning drawings can be pretty misleading and a couple of quickly rendered images can be pretty seductive.
I was also interested to read that the building was named The Worst New Building in Scotland at the 2009 Carbuncle Awards by Prospect Magazine. The editor of Prospect said "What were these people thinking? They have ended up with a building that looks ridiculous. More balls-up than ballroom."
The lesson The Plaza seem to be teaching is, that unless we, the local residents, keep an eye on exactly what is going on, then the developers will push ahead. With a few more proposed projects popping up in the area (most notably the potential new Superstore at the Larkfield Depot) people need to make sure they have their say, positive or negative before its too late.
UPDATE: A Reader has advised that the planning application for the giant superstore at the end of Victoria Road has been submitted and can be reviewed at the Planning Department's offices.
The Council's guide to having your say on Planning Applications is here and is worth a read for those with strong views on the Supermarket Proposal.
UPDATE: A Reader has advised that the planning application for the giant superstore at the end of Victoria Road has been submitted and can be reviewed at the Planning Department's offices.
The Council's guide to having your say on Planning Applications is here and is worth a read for those with strong views on the Supermarket Proposal.
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21 Comments:
Amen...
I'm impressed! Despite having to endure the torture of passing this disastrous construction every day, you've managed to keep your post calm, rational and restrained.
I'd have to self-medicate to avoid spouting my rage and fury that such an afront to taste and decency was APPROVED by the council. It seems a number of people deemed the design, proportion, and materiality of this building to have some merit. Shame on you!
Damn, looks like I forgot to take my meds this morning...
I couldn't agree more - I HATE that building. Eugh.
Agreed again. I live right across the road from it (admittedly in a new build too) but it's definately a shoddy effort and reminds me of a factory or warehouse....no wonder there's only about 5 flats occupied in the whole building!
so sad they got rid of the plaza... not really sure of the ins and outs of it, but it was a great venue for gigs etc. they did the same with the hacienda in manchester when I lived there... such a waste!
I live in the building next to the half build pile of rubbish on the corner of Albert Drive/ Pollokshaws Road & I agree wholeheartedly re: build quality. When I first moved in it was fine but the longer we're there the worse it gets - just the price (and the fact that we have cats) keep us there.
Must be pretty spooky living in the Plaza if there's only 5 or 6 flats inhabitated?
Not all new builds in the area need to be like this. Apart from the silly name the nearby "Utopia" development looks to be ok. (Anyone living there able confirm yes or no?)
Anyone seen the flats that are being built facing straight onto the M74 at the corner of Pollokshaws Road? Stripey bricks patterns!!
All of the new builds in the Port Eglington area are an affront to taste and decency. The Utopia project in Barrland Street makes my blood boil it is so bad and the still empty shop unit at the corner with Albert Drive drives me insane! Does anyone else remember the first phase of that new build development when the corner block on Pollokshaws Rd ... See morehad been built but the bit on Albert Drive with the shop at the bottom hadn't been built yet? The gable wall, now covered up with the 2nd phase, bowed so badly I thought it was like a giant pluke about to explode! As for the Plaza, well ffs what can anyone say? Its not that its bad, although it is, its that its TRAGIC seeing the old facade surrounded like a prisoner by the atrocious new build. Facades can be protected and incorporated into new build design well- it disnae need to be like this. Look at the auld meat market facade up at the Molindiner housing development - same basic issue but dealt with totally differently. There is a social housing crisis in Pollokshields and whilst every scrap of land is bought by profiteering bastards who cram 1 and 2 bedroom flats in (which naebody wants), that crisis will continue! Right I am away to lie down after that rant!!!
Ehm, yeah, I live in the Utopia flats, haha. My flat seems to be ok so far, nice finish inside, not falling apart too much, and pretty spacious. Westpoint are pretty good at the general upkeep of the development as well. Only thing is the main road noise, since it never lets up, there's constant traffic through the night as well as the day, so pretty noisy, but to be expected! :)
It would appear Pollockshaws is being twinned with Gdansk. Why can't they just build in the style if the old tenements? Proper bay windows and a single end for the students.
Of course, if the Cooncil would finally (after 4 years?) publish the promised development plan for the area we could see what DRS had in mind to turn this into a cohesive development. Many of us suspect that there is a big black hole in the council's map of Glasgow where this area ought to be
I agree that this is a perfect example of town-planning bedlam. The size of the thing makes me think of Chernobyl.
Does anyone know if there is some way of holding the people on who approved this responsible? It is terrible that the developers blame the general public for not objecting. The whole point of having a political system and a council is so that it is somebody's job to scrutinize projects like these! The general public cannot police the council at all times!
Also agree with the point about the new Cruden estate looking out on the motorway: How can this project be feasible? Who is going to buy these flats? GHA? Surely the developers that built the Plaza must be bankrupt by now? Selling 5 flats can hardly pay for the construction. I would not be surprised if this place is knocked down before it has even been fully occupied.
I also live in the utopia development and have done for almost a year now, we look out onto the plaza building, and despite the dreadful design of the converted building, its the fact that the building is empty that bothers me, it must defo be spooky for the few occupiers. Even though the exterior is an eyesore I am curious to see the flats inside to see why so few people have moved in, surely when you actually live there the inside counts for more. As for the utopia buildings, I am very happy living here, of course as anywhere there are a few negatives such as the surface of barrland street, the questionable security and of course the big blue wooden structure that should surely by now have been completed. But the posstives out rude all as its on a nice quiet street, the flat has great attention to detail with lovely finishings and is a great size,and over all a great home.
Sorry, but that 'Utopia' development is at least as bad as the Plaza. It's all disgusting non-architecture designed by bean counting contractors and sold to 'lifestyle' recession-fodder.
While I agree with the comments about the look and that of all new builds in general, can anyone actually qualify if they are indeed of crap build quality, I ask as having viewed one they are very spacious inside with no obvious problems/snags
re the comments about occupation the builder went bust and has been in adminstration hence why lying empty so long
Sorry but, the plaza ballroom was more of a bloody eyesore, lol.
Some of you need to get over it!
@Anonymous 01.0812 - Sorry but the plaza wasn't as big an eyesore.
There was an oppertunity to move the area forward but instead a property of low value has been constructed.
The standards in the construction industry need to be raised. It shapes our cities and our lives for generations to come.
Planners, public and Government need to stand up and say enough, build it right.
There is a clamour just now to relax the planning laws to help get construction started.
Yes more housing is required but lets not just build for the sake of building. Lets start doing it right.
Too many short term profit grabbing affecting long term City quality.
The Plaza is has completely soldout core 1&2 out of 3.
Sounds like sour grapes from a lot of you,lol!
Glasgow is changing, like it or not.
Funny that this post has suddenly had a spike in its popularity.
I wonder if its connected to another series of atrocious construction decison nearby - namely the two mega-superstores which have been granted planning permission in the same area.
@Anonymous (22 August) I would suggest most people are very happy and supportive of change if its in the right direction. I don't think any of the comments above were complaining because the Plaza was changed, they are complaining because it was changed so badly. The insides might be nice and at least when you are inside you don't have to look onto the Plaza Building.
Change for changes sake or to turn a profit is not the same thing as change to improve an area.
Its a mistake that Glasgow seems to keep on repeating.
I like it. :)
At least it retains the front of the old plaza, and that wasn't listed.
Southside Happenings said...
Funny that this post has suddenly had a spike in its popularity.
Well people are going to comment, even if you don't like what they're saying.
The Plaza is full, there were reasons that the flats weren't selling to start with, and it had absolutely nothing to do with build quality.
The flats are nice inside but the building is very unsympathetic to its predecessor. What was the point. Inside is ok, outside is cheap looking unfortunately. Compromised on many fronts.
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